Nevada State Bike ralley...

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This posting is from: kumiko yvonne watanabe
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I think we shouldn't put this on the DLV calandar as yet,
we are jumping to some assumed conclusions and need more
information.

Sabrina is a HOG member, she can correct me if I'm
wrong.

First, I'm not sure this bike rally is open
to the public. Sabrina wrote:

>"The State rally is a sanctioned, member event,
>requiring registration."

This rally may be or may not be open to the public, or maybe as
invited guests of registered members. But Sabrina didn't say so.

She did say:

>"If anyone wants to go and see the bikes and events, I would go as
>your natural self, i.e. How you feel comfortable as what ever normal
>is for you... "

So I'm not sure if to "go and see" means you have to be a member and
register to attend this event, or if its open to the public, or be a
outside observer in Boulder City just watching the bikers.

Its also held at nearby Boulder City. Sabrina talked aboutthe bikers
going to nearby LV only. Sabrina writes:

>"So if you like Bikes or Bikers, we should see a lot during Diva's!
>The official location is Boulder City, but you can bet the strip will
>be roaring!

I think Sabrina thinking was of the possibility of hanging out and
having fun with some bikers that come into LV from Boulder to have fun,
and not necessarily going to the rally. Sabrina also gave some good
points:

>"My recommendation is its probably better not to show up dressed,
>I certainly don't." "In general bikers are independent, freedom
>loving, and can be quite loose and wild. " "... there are some
>self made want to be Hollywood "Bad" Bikers assholes"

Sabrina talks about tg bikers:

>"There is a fare amount of "gay" bikers as well as "Dikes on
>Bikes". But those groups are once again somewhat a specialty
>item."

I take this as not as numerous or not the norm as most of the
members, and these may go to the gay/lesbian/tg bars in LV.

AJ writes about hearing from a MC member:

>"Paul Teutel Jr of Orange County Choppers came to town. I attended
>his presentation at the Central Christian Church. I had a very
>good time"

Hearing a MC member at a church isn't the same representation as
attending a Bike Rally that can have hundreds of bikers from different
backgrounds and probably may not include those that attend or don't
attend christian churches, nor behave at this rally like those going to
church.

There may be dike and gay bikers that may be bi or accept tg guests,
but may also be possible to be the opposite and just don't like tg or
MtoF people. We don't know nor predict any biker behavior, most of us
may not be bikers or members of a MC. There was once a issue about gay
and lesbians looking down on the tg/cd community that I heard about
some time ago... not sure if its still current, so even these bikers
may not be so open.

AJ writes about going dressed, but Sabrina doesn't recommend this.
Consider that Sabrina isn't going dressed, and shes a member, and will
be wearing her HOG colors.

AJ writes:

>"Instead of being afraid, this may be a wonderful opportunity to
>experience a different event as our true selves".

I would be more cautious and aware, not afraid, and if anyone goes,
consider the possibility that one can also get killed, or physically
hurt by some these bikers too. All it takes is one bad incident.

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This posting is from: silkysabrina
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Hi its Sabrina again... First let me say that I really didn't bring
this topic up to cause such a stir! So I feel like I would like to add
just a few more things... Which will probably generate even more
responses. So let me say this...

First, I mentioned this originally for two reasons, one was to let
everyone know that there would be a lot of bikes, bikers and noise on
our last weekend there. Personally I have ridden since I was 14 when I
started riding my Grandfathers State Police bike (Harley of course).
Since then I ride everyday I can to work, and my wife (who started me in
CD'ing) and I travel throughout the Northwest on our bikes.

Concerning attendance, There are events that are open to the public,
most are since they are held in public venues, others like bands, food
or drinks are by registration or pay. Here is the website for the
event:

http://www.nvstatehogrally.com/index.html

Albeit there is very little info here. If anyone is interested in more
info call the number listed or ask me and I will see what I can find out
for you. I imagine there will be hundreds of bikes in and around Las
Vegas at that time. The weather will be nice then.

Concerning bikers themselves... There are generally three groups, of
course mind you this is a vast over generalization. First there are the
"Bad" bikers who either really are bad (scum) or more likely the wanna
be's which give us all a bad name and the stereo type that Hollywood
invented out of the Hollister riot by returning WWII vets.

Next there are what I call the new "Bikers" which are generally rich,
affluent folks who ride all the nicest stuff with all the toys, like
doctors, lawyers, nurses, engineers etc who enjoy riding occasionally
and like the comradeship of belonging to special group.

Thirdly there are the "Bikers" which are fierce freedom loving riders
who have riding in their blood. They love the feel of the road between
their legs and not on their ass. They experience the smell of traveling
and the weather beit cold or hot, the sun or the rain and they live each
day. Rather than be couped up in a man made spam can insulated from the
elements, they would rather experience life in the raw. These people
belong but don't naturally flock, miles and experience matter and they
are the "Bikers" no need for stereotypes, or the coolest latest gear.
But we are brand loyal because its the original and made of American
iron and it lives on. Okay I suppose you now know which group I
generally fall in. Certainly not the first!

Okay girls lets get down to the meat! I don't recommend making this a
DLV event.

For all of you who would like to see a bunch of bikes or folks all
dressed in leathers! or interested in one way or another, I think you
can certainly go to see the bikes, I would go with someone, and I would
just be generally interested and indifferent. There is very little
violence at a sanctioned event. In fact when I used to live in Florida,
Daytona bike week was the safest time to be in Daytona Beach. There was
less crime and theft then any other week of the year. Why? Because if
you are driving a 20 - 40K bike and you are working for $10.0/hr your
bike is the most valuable thing you own, and you know you mess with
their metal they will put you down hard and out. People get real
serious about their rides. Part of the "bad" mystique is there so
people will leave us alone, leave our rides alone. We just like to make
sure there is no misunderstanding about that. I think that is generally
accepted. Look all you want, but don't touch!

If anyone is interested 2003 was our 100yr aniversary. Harley Davidson
put out a book with the history of bikes and bikers. Its interesting to
see what the original folks looked like and how we were before Hollywood
got a hold of us and made us all such bad asses!

It used to be about racing, clubs and fun... Oh wait its still about
that!

So in the end,

A) if you don't want to be around bikes and bikers, than don't. I know
when I am in Las Vegas as Sabrina I will be doing other things with the
girls.

B) If your interested in seeing what a rally is like, and you feel like
it, then go. But I would not make it a challenge or to push a point, or
a rally for us CD's. That would be a mistake for us as a group.

What I am about to say is my own opinion, period. But as a CD all I
want is total indifference. I want to pass through a crowd un-noticed
like anyone else. I want to enjoy and experience life as a woman, with
the same freedom to dress the way I like, to spend time with my girl
friends, and have freedom of movement. So I tend to do things quite
normally as a woman when dressed and as a man when I am not. My goal is
to be a chameleon, to be who I feel like, when I feel like it. To enjoy
both sides of humanity.

Best wishes to all of you... and write me if you like.

Kisses,

Sabrina.

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This posting is from: kumiko yvonne watanabe
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Hi Sabrina,

I have a hard enough time bring clothes and needed stuff
in two large luggage bags for DLV via airlines.

How do you bring your stuff via Harley?

Its cool that your wife started you into CDing. It must be fun
biking and touring all over the US in gender of choice. Is it
difficult to get acceptance from other bikers when you are
femme and out biking or are the two completely separate?

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This posting is from: Caitlin
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Sorry, I don't get on here as often as I used to anymore.But anyway, in
regards to your statement of Hogs being a fashion statement I have to
disagree. Harley has been around for a long time. Yea, ok, the
shovelheads and panheads have been known to be "oil leakers" but that's
history.I may be a tad bit jaundiced in my opinion, having Milwaukee as
my home town and all.But Harley is an American brand, to the core. Look
at how many off-shore companies are copying the looks of HD bikes.Sorry
if you disagree, but I still prefer to "Buy American".

Caitlin

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This posting is from: aleta joan dupree
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> I may be a tad bit jaundiced in my opinion, having
> Milwaukee as
> my home town and all.But Harley is an American brand, to the core.
> Look
> at how many off-shore companies are copying the looks of HD
> bikes.Sorry
> if you disagree, but I still prefer to "Buy American".

> Caitlin

you're all making me want to get my motorcycle license. As for me,
I think I'll buy a Vectrix. All the best, AJ here in warm LV.

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This posting is from: silkysabrina
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Hi I just I would have to agree with you Caitlin... Its been just
recently that HD has gotten a lot of attention from the new rich. The
one thing that Harley has that other groups really don't have and that
is the unreconizable branding and comradery from its bikes to its
riders. I started riding HD's at fourteen on '65 FL which was my
grandfathers. The one great thing is that they are made to last and you
can still get parts for that '65. Try that for a '72 honda!

By the way I would love to meet all you biker babes that love to ride at
DLV. Should we set up a little get together while we are there?

Best Regards,

Kisses,

Sabrina

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