NYNY and TI

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What kind of incident are you talking about? Thanks.

>Apart from the incident Annie referred to TI seems like a reasonably

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This posting is from: annie
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> What kind of incident are you talking about? Thanks.

Well ... how do I put this ...

First of all, incidents have been few and far between with DLV.
Unfortunately when they happen they really ruin a vacation, and in many
cases the person whose vacation was ruined had nothing to do with what
brought on the incident.

Anyway, to make a long story long ... :)

Following our Annual Mixer on Friday last year, a group of our people
wandered off to Treasure Island. One report was that some of them were
dressed "on the edge", meaning their outfits were bound to draw
attention. I don't know if this was indeed the case. I don't remember
how they were dressed.

Anyway, some of them apparently befriended one or more curious GG's, and
they and said GG(s) went off to the casino ladies room to play makeup.
This apparently resulted in a complaint or complaints to TI security.

A TI security guard, having received the report, happened to come upon
another one of our people, one who was not involved in the Mary Kay
session in the powder room. A confrontation and a not so nice ending
to what could have been a very nice vacation followed.

This was the second incident in DLV's history resulting from using a
public ladies room to play makeover. {slap} Don't do that!

Speaking very freely, almost every incident I can think of, from the
beginning of DLV, has been caused by somebody, one of our people,
failing to use common sense or intentionally pushing the limits. Yes,
there was one in 2001 where I really don't think any of our people
did anything out of line.

Bottom line: Have fun at DLV! Have a LOT of fun! But please use common
sense and don't have fun at somebody else's expense.

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This posting is from: Michelle Jenkins
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Hi,

While I've never stayed at NYNY I have visited the former lots and lots
of times. I've never had any problems although there are a couple of
things you may want to be aware of.

The car park building is reasonably distant from the casino across
fairly desolate internal passageways. One of them goes through the games
arcade where there are usually quite a few children and teenagers etc.

NYNY also seems to be one of the few hotels that continues to run
security checks on inbound vehicles. The other is Bellagio, which does a
trunk check, while NYNY has someone that wants to see photo ID. Last
time I was there it seemed like it was done only intermittently.

The NYNY / Excalibar / Luxor / MGM / Trop corner is a great place to
stay if you want to go visit all those particular hotel / casino's.
Plenty to do.

I seem to recall eating at the Mexican restaurant at NYNY about 2 or 3
years ago. No drama affair and was well treated.

Apart from the incident Annie referred to TI seems like a reasonably
friendly place and while I haven't been there as often as NYNY or some
other hotels I've never had any problems when I have been there. TI
seems like a convenient place if you were in town for the Thu / Fri of
DLV as its near to show location at the Venetian.

Just to put then above in perspective I haven't really had that many
issues at any of the places in Las Vegas. The worst was being called
"Sir" by a couple of half cut / drunk 20 something guys in Bellagio one
night. Probably wasn't looking the best when it happened.

If you're comfortable with parking lot ID and passageway walkways from
there to the casino then NYNY is an OK place.

Hope this helps

Hugs
Michelle

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This posting is from: debi
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So then, what's the rule for bathrooms then? Thanks.

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This posting is from: annie
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>So then, what's the rule for bathrooms then? Thanks.

I see Michelle jumped in as I was composing this response. I'll cut
part of mine out since Michelle answered a lot.

(DLV organizer hat on.)

No rule. Just guidelines. Each person is responsible for deciding what
public facilities he or she will use, if any, and each person accepts
the responsibilities for those decisions. Restroom guidelines are sent
to those who register. They appear on the web at:

http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/dlvrestr.html

(DLV organizer hat off.)

Yes, Michelle, the guidelines are on line. That's the link above.

There's no one-size-fits-all solution to the question of which restroom
to use, if any. I can give you a lot of suggestions, but the only
general answer I can give is "it depends", and others will have opinions
that greatly differ from mine.

In the "safe" venues, such as those we use for our Welcome Celebration,
Annual Mixer, etc., you are most likely very safe using the restroom
that you are more comfortable using.

It's the mainstream venues where problems seem to occur, but in almost
every case I'm aware of regarding incidents, somebody was misbehaving or
pushing the limits.

If you make a serious attempt to blend, go only if/when you really need
to, quickly and quietly get in, do your thing, and get out, chances are
that you will be fine.

It's when people do such things as go in groups, stand to weewee, talk
unnecessarily, play makeup, linger and loiter, etc., that problems seem
to happen.

I would suggest to not even THINK of using a mens room when in girlmode
at a mainstream venue. That is asking for an incident.

Oh, and I take back part of what I said about "no rules", in that one
"rule" we're going to be taking very seriously this year is not using a
public mainstream ladies room in groups. This has to stop! This is an
incident just waiting to happen.

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This posting is from: Hollye
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My two cents worth. Please understand that most women actually DO NOT
sit to pee in a public restroom. Because of all of the horrendously
nasty little bugs and disease out there, most women squat above the
toilet and pee.

Yes, this is why you sometimes see pee on the seat!

And although I don't recommend it unless you pass well, most women
actually look at each other and give a warm smile. Not reciprocating in
this around women in any circle will certainly cause a flag to go up (if
for nothing else than to mark you as a bitch.) I would suggest trying
this first somewhere other than a restroom and getting the hang of it.
If you look into their eyes and smile when they smile at you, you will
be able to tell if they it worked. This is not a forced smile but it is
basically the way a women greet each other as strangers. I'm sure there
is an entire discussion just on this but believe it. It's there and most
never recognize it.

Hope you all have fun out there in Sin City. It doesn't look like I can
make it but who knows what can happen in my life anymore. Take care and
don't take no wooden nickels. Just Galiano Au Gratis!!!

Love;

Margeth

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This posting is from: Michelle Jenkins
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Jumping right in here

<<splash>>

> So then, what's the rule for bathrooms then? Thanks.

Well I think the first rule is that if you need to go...YOU NEED TO GO!

There is a list of recommended GOOD PRACTICES regarding restrooms in the
Behaviour and rest room policy documents we have prepared. Use of restrooms
of either gender while dressed as women can be a high risk affair. Obviously
going to the men's room may result in some interesting situations!

To summarise a complex area of behaviour:

- Use the bathroom appropriate to your mode of dress...ie if dressed as
woman then use the ladies

- DO NOT go in groups!

- Behave like a woman (sit to pee don't stand!)

- Go in, do your business, get out. Don't loiter!

- Try not to talk or other wise behave in way that will attract attention to
you as male in women's clothes!

- Avoid restrooms with young women present. They seem to pick up on Tgers
more quickly than older women

- Be confident but if you're not then maybe you'd be better off holding it
and going to a hotel room (your own for example!)

- Avoid the problem by going before you go out and drink moderately where
you can

For some venues, there will be specifically listed rest room conditions
and for some we will have "free" use within normal social bounds. These
will be defined within the LFM that Annie produces for all attendees in
late April.

And honestly.... The real issue is that if you pass well, then its less
of an issue than if you're a "man in a dress". Admittedly there are a
lot of women out there could be classed in the latter category that
probably draw attention to themselves and they're REAL FEMALES!

If you have any specific questions, after ready the policy which is
ONLINE somewhere, isn't it ANNIE!!!!, one or more of us will be happy to
flush more water on the subject!

Hugs
Michelle

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This posting is from: Denise McCracken
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>most women actually look at each other and give a warm smile.

>Quite true...a quick smile for about a second. It's kind of like when
>men say "hey", or "how's it going" when they pass each other.

>don't take no wooden nickels. Just Galiano Au Gratis!!!

What a shame it will be if you're not there to enjoy it with us. You're
the only person I've met who has voluntarily drunk the stuff. I salute
you!

Quick smiles,

-densie

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This posting is from: Tootsye
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>most women actually look at each other and give a warm smile.

Denise,

I have heard it described as the "silent hello". It tells a woman that
it is safe and things are OK in the way that she is going!

But! do not bob the head! That is a guy thing and will be a decided give
away!

Hugs,
Tootsye

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