This posting is from: Holly
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I don't care for the site and I don't care for the "satire."
We in the TG community who are intentionally pushing the
boundaries as to what society finds acceptable should be
the last persons on the face of the earth promoting or
tolerating this or any other site that demeans, denigrates,
or puts down in any way any other group for their choice of
what they chose to wear.
Pot, Kettle, Black.
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by External Poster » Tue Sep 21, 2010 12:19 pm
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by External Poster » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:51 pm
This posting is from: Rosada Delano
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Holly, sweetie I sympathize with your stand but I have to say
that there has to be some standards of dress to show that you
have pride in yourself, and also have some sort of sense of
what is appropriate and decent.
Clearly, these people may not know any better, are just too damn
lazy, don't care.
I can excuse them if they don't know any better. That could be
remedied with a little education. You'll have to admit that some
of these outfits rally come close to violating codes of decency.
Don't you think. I dona't agree that we in the TG community
should dress like this.
As I said before, thanks to the women, like my grandmother and
aunts, who were role models. It was there sense of what was
fashionable and appropriate to wear out to go shopping that I
copy when I get dressed. My mama always said even if your dirt
poor, you can still take a moment to clean the rags you wear.
Not doing so demonstrate a lack of PRIDE in yourself. I would
not want to be standing next to someone who dresses like that.
I hope I don't find myself face to face with someone like this.
I might let loose my sharp tongue. I'm sorry, but that's how
strongly I feel. I know I'll probably anger a lot of people in
DLV for my stand. Bob, I know you're around somewhere close.
WE AS A GROUP NEED TO STAND UP TO ANYONE IN OUR GROUP TO WHO
DRESSES IN THE MANNER OF ONE OF THOSE NASTY FUNKY WAL-MART
SHOPPERS., UNLESS THEY ARE DRESSING THAT WAY FOR COSTUME EFFECT.
Rosada's Kettle is NOT Black But Hot Pink!
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Holly, sweetie I sympathize with your stand but I have to say
that there has to be some standards of dress to show that you
have pride in yourself, and also have some sort of sense of
what is appropriate and decent.
Clearly, these people may not know any better, are just too damn
lazy, don't care.
I can excuse them if they don't know any better. That could be
remedied with a little education. You'll have to admit that some
of these outfits rally come close to violating codes of decency.
Don't you think. I dona't agree that we in the TG community
should dress like this.
As I said before, thanks to the women, like my grandmother and
aunts, who were role models. It was there sense of what was
fashionable and appropriate to wear out to go shopping that I
copy when I get dressed. My mama always said even if your dirt
poor, you can still take a moment to clean the rags you wear.
Not doing so demonstrate a lack of PRIDE in yourself. I would
not want to be standing next to someone who dresses like that.
I hope I don't find myself face to face with someone like this.
I might let loose my sharp tongue. I'm sorry, but that's how
strongly I feel. I know I'll probably anger a lot of people in
DLV for my stand. Bob, I know you're around somewhere close.
WE AS A GROUP NEED TO STAND UP TO ANYONE IN OUR GROUP TO WHO
DRESSES IN THE MANNER OF ONE OF THOSE NASTY FUNKY WAL-MART
SHOPPERS., UNLESS THEY ARE DRESSING THAT WAY FOR COSTUME EFFECT.
Rosada's Kettle is NOT Black But Hot Pink!
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by External Poster » Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:30 pm
This posting is from: Holly
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Rosada, honey, you know I loves ya!
> Holly, sweetie I sympathize with your stand but I have to say
> that there has to be some standards of dress to show that you
> have pride in yourself, and also have some sort of sense of
> what is appropriate and decent.
The only standards we "have to have" are those standards we hold
ourselves accountable to. If we allow anyone to dictate what we wear,
and by extansion what and how we think, we lose the umderlying freedoms
upon which our country was founded. If you and I conformed to the
generally accepted standards today, what we chose to wear would not be
considered appropriate or decent by many.
> Clearly, these people may not know any better, are just too damn
> lazy, don't care.
>
> I can excuse them if they don't know any better. That could be
> remedied with a little education. You'll have to admit that some
> of these outfits rally come close to violating codes of decency.
If this is a matter of education, then by all means they should be
educated. But it is very hard to teach someone while holding them up to
public ridicule at the same time. That is why I dislike POWM and
similar sites. They are just taling cheap shots st persons who are
unable to respond. Having a laugh at someone elses expense is not
comedy, it's curelty. And for myself, I chose not to perpetuate such
behaviour.
> Don't you think. I dona't agree that we in the TG community
> should dress like this.
Neither do I. And we don't, do we? Rosada, I have always appreciated
how you present yourself in fashion and demeanor and attitude. I would
absolutely cry if you thought for a moment my remarks about POWM were
directed at you... they most certainly were not. So there is no
confusion, my disgust is with POWM and other websites who think public
humiliation is accpetable entertainment.
> ...
> I hope I don't find myself face to face with someone like this.
> I might let loose my sharp tongue. I'm sorry, but that's how
> strongly I feel. I know I'll probably anger a lot of people in
> DLV for my stand. Bob, I know you're around somewhere close.
Rosada, could I offer you an alternative to a sharp tounged response?
If it is truly and educational issue as you suggest above, wouldn't it
be better to take that person aside and educate them a bit? "Miss, you
are a beautiful young lady, but that bare midrif look just isn't
working for you. Instead, why not try a canisole with a nice blouse
over it but unbuttoned. This will cause people's looks to be drawn up
to where your beauty is." You get your point across and the person
hopefully learns something in the process... win/win. I hope you will
at least consider it :o).
> WE AS A GROUP NEED TO STAND UP TO ANYONE IN OUR GROUP TO WHO
> DRESSES IN THE MANNER OF ONE OF THOSE NASTY FUNKY WAL-MART
> SHOPPERS., UNLESS THEY ARE DRESSING THAT WAY FOR COSTUME EFFECT.
I agree... to a point. No exposed underwear, no butt cheeks, no camel
toe, bosoms should be properly restrained, appliances should remain
unseen, and so on. But regulation must be lax enough to allow all
participants the freedom to express themselves without fear of
reprisal. Hopefully, if those of us who present MtF will remember that
we are presenting as ladies and not streetwalkers we won't have any
problems. The rule of thumb I use is if I had been born my mothers
daughter instead of her son, would she be proud to see me the way I am
dressed? That process hasn't failed me yet. I would also point out
that this type of regulation comes from within the organization and
should be based on providing a safe level of participation by attendees
and not on individual preferences or tastes. This is much different
than external regulation of dress or something based on ridicule such
as POWM.
> Rosada's Kettle is NOT Black But Hot Pink!
And a cute kettle it is!
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Rosada, honey, you know I loves ya!
> Holly, sweetie I sympathize with your stand but I have to say
> that there has to be some standards of dress to show that you
> have pride in yourself, and also have some sort of sense of
> what is appropriate and decent.
The only standards we "have to have" are those standards we hold
ourselves accountable to. If we allow anyone to dictate what we wear,
and by extansion what and how we think, we lose the umderlying freedoms
upon which our country was founded. If you and I conformed to the
generally accepted standards today, what we chose to wear would not be
considered appropriate or decent by many.
> Clearly, these people may not know any better, are just too damn
> lazy, don't care.
>
> I can excuse them if they don't know any better. That could be
> remedied with a little education. You'll have to admit that some
> of these outfits rally come close to violating codes of decency.
If this is a matter of education, then by all means they should be
educated. But it is very hard to teach someone while holding them up to
public ridicule at the same time. That is why I dislike POWM and
similar sites. They are just taling cheap shots st persons who are
unable to respond. Having a laugh at someone elses expense is not
comedy, it's curelty. And for myself, I chose not to perpetuate such
behaviour.
> Don't you think. I dona't agree that we in the TG community
> should dress like this.
Neither do I. And we don't, do we? Rosada, I have always appreciated
how you present yourself in fashion and demeanor and attitude. I would
absolutely cry if you thought for a moment my remarks about POWM were
directed at you... they most certainly were not. So there is no
confusion, my disgust is with POWM and other websites who think public
humiliation is accpetable entertainment.
> ...
> I hope I don't find myself face to face with someone like this.
> I might let loose my sharp tongue. I'm sorry, but that's how
> strongly I feel. I know I'll probably anger a lot of people in
> DLV for my stand. Bob, I know you're around somewhere close.
Rosada, could I offer you an alternative to a sharp tounged response?
If it is truly and educational issue as you suggest above, wouldn't it
be better to take that person aside and educate them a bit? "Miss, you
are a beautiful young lady, but that bare midrif look just isn't
working for you. Instead, why not try a canisole with a nice blouse
over it but unbuttoned. This will cause people's looks to be drawn up
to where your beauty is." You get your point across and the person
hopefully learns something in the process... win/win. I hope you will
at least consider it :o).
> WE AS A GROUP NEED TO STAND UP TO ANYONE IN OUR GROUP TO WHO
> DRESSES IN THE MANNER OF ONE OF THOSE NASTY FUNKY WAL-MART
> SHOPPERS., UNLESS THEY ARE DRESSING THAT WAY FOR COSTUME EFFECT.
I agree... to a point. No exposed underwear, no butt cheeks, no camel
toe, bosoms should be properly restrained, appliances should remain
unseen, and so on. But regulation must be lax enough to allow all
participants the freedom to express themselves without fear of
reprisal. Hopefully, if those of us who present MtF will remember that
we are presenting as ladies and not streetwalkers we won't have any
problems. The rule of thumb I use is if I had been born my mothers
daughter instead of her son, would she be proud to see me the way I am
dressed? That process hasn't failed me yet. I would also point out
that this type of regulation comes from within the organization and
should be based on providing a safe level of participation by attendees
and not on individual preferences or tastes. This is much different
than external regulation of dress or something based on ridicule such
as POWM.
> Rosada's Kettle is NOT Black But Hot Pink!
And a cute kettle it is!
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by External Poster » Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:44 pm
This posting is from: annie
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> I can excuse them if they don't know any better.
It's really not a lack of fashion sense, it's a lack of common
sense! My guess is that these individuals are oblivious to the
fact that they are in no way presentable!
> You'll have to admit that some of these outfits rally come
> close to violating codes of decency.
I'll go as far as to say that under some circumstance, some
nudity can be arguably appropriate. Think of Mardi Gras or
the Mermaid Parade. I do know exactly what you're referring
to, and I do agree that it's downright nasty! :(
Speaking of which, since we are ranting freely ... One other
thing that is a semi-common theme at the POWM site is to
show outfits with f-bombs written on them. There's really no
shortage of them either. I mean, I'm about as liberal as they
come, and I admit my language is not always ladylike, but to
go out in general public with the f-word in everybody's face
is just plain tacky! :(
Yeah I know, b*tch b*tch b*tch! :)
. . . . .
> Thanks Annie for the lesson. I am now enlightened.
Yer very welcome. :)
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> I can excuse them if they don't know any better.
It's really not a lack of fashion sense, it's a lack of common
sense! My guess is that these individuals are oblivious to the
fact that they are in no way presentable!
> You'll have to admit that some of these outfits rally come
> close to violating codes of decency.
I'll go as far as to say that under some circumstance, some
nudity can be arguably appropriate. Think of Mardi Gras or
the Mermaid Parade. I do know exactly what you're referring
to, and I do agree that it's downright nasty! :(
Speaking of which, since we are ranting freely ... One other
thing that is a semi-common theme at the POWM site is to
show outfits with f-bombs written on them. There's really no
shortage of them either. I mean, I'm about as liberal as they
come, and I admit my language is not always ladylike, but to
go out in general public with the f-word in everybody's face
is just plain tacky! :(
Yeah I know, b*tch b*tch b*tch! :)
. . . . .
> Thanks Annie for the lesson. I am now enlightened.
Yer very welcome. :)
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by External Poster » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:39 pm
This posting is from: Sindee Honey
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If it offends you don't look.
What happened to Americans ? We forget how to pull up our big people
panties and simply ignore things ? Are we a nation of "Please make this
a nanny state so I don't have to be offended" Not I ! I didn't give 7
years of my life to America so you could let the governments regulate
your decency and notions of propriety I did it so there was freedom of
expression, the right to free speech, etc etc etc...
(okay, I disagreed heartily with prohibition but since that was before
my time its a dead issue - see what happens when you regulate morality ?
Forget your modern history so soon ?)
And thats MY .02 worth of rant rant b*tch b*tch (comment edited
according to the standards of the PRMC)
I hope everyone is having as great a day as I am. Seriously. I am SO
doggone in love with everything you would think I grabbed a lil bottle
of Love potion #9
Look forward to hearing all about my anti social comments next DLV !
HUGS !
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If it offends you don't look.
What happened to Americans ? We forget how to pull up our big people
panties and simply ignore things ? Are we a nation of "Please make this
a nanny state so I don't have to be offended" Not I ! I didn't give 7
years of my life to America so you could let the governments regulate
your decency and notions of propriety I did it so there was freedom of
expression, the right to free speech, etc etc etc...
(okay, I disagreed heartily with prohibition but since that was before
my time its a dead issue - see what happens when you regulate morality ?
Forget your modern history so soon ?)
And thats MY .02 worth of rant rant b*tch b*tch (comment edited
according to the standards of the PRMC)
I hope everyone is having as great a day as I am. Seriously. I am SO
doggone in love with everything you would think I grabbed a lil bottle
of Love potion #9
Look forward to hearing all about my anti social comments next DLV !
HUGS !
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by External Poster » Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:14 am
This posting is from: kumiko yvonne watanabe
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Hi Sindee,
Your logic is still good, for the prohibition of alchohol act
of the roaring year of 1920 formally called the 18th constitutional
amendment was repealed by the 21st amendment in 1933.
For that time, it let guys like Al Capone get rich too!
When speakeasys were fun to go to, and bathtub gin
became popular along with canadian name brands of
whiskey.
And it was legal to own a auto ordinance thompson
without any type of permit or paper trail, pre Bureau
of Prohibition / BATF / FBI.
Glad you are having a great day. If you ever write
down that formula you are using, let us know what it is!
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Hi Sindee,
Your logic is still good, for the prohibition of alchohol act
of the roaring year of 1920 formally called the 18th constitutional
amendment was repealed by the 21st amendment in 1933.
For that time, it let guys like Al Capone get rich too!
When speakeasys were fun to go to, and bathtub gin
became popular along with canadian name brands of
whiskey.
And it was legal to own a auto ordinance thompson
without any type of permit or paper trail, pre Bureau
of Prohibition / BATF / FBI.
Glad you are having a great day. If you ever write
down that formula you are using, let us know what it is!
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