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This posting is from: Allison
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No this is an incident that was supposed to have happened last Friday
(6/236/09). As I said I am getting my info third hand and even the one
that had told me about the incident did not witness the denial of access
but was only told about it after the fact.

My friend who told me about the incident is reliable in aqs far aqs I am
concerned but as we all know sometimes things get blown out of
proportion or exagerated but she says that the person who was denied
access is honest, has no ulterior motives and she trusts her. Since I
do not know that person nor anything about her or witness the incident I
can't vouch for that.

All I can say is that after talking to the bartenders I am very familiar
with at Hunter's and some of the security staff that they were all aware
that this happened and that it was an isolated incident that night. I
know of a couple of other girls who did go to Hunter's that same night
and had not problems getting in or while there.

I will keep the group posted on this issue as I hear information but for
now I do not see a reason not to go to Hunter's if the group does decide
they want to. Hunter's is still wanting our community to patronize them
and in fact when I mentioned the PinkFest group they all remembered and
knew you and were looking forward to having you again this year.

As for your reference to airlines you are forgetting about the one
incident where the t-girl from England was not allowed to get onto a
United flight to Chicago (from Omaha? not sure of where the flight was
taking off from) that made such a splash in the news because her
passport picture was in male mode. Sure this was an issolated incident
(like this seems to be) and I have not heard of anthing like it since
but then again maybe that is because of all of the negative
publicity/news coverage that was a backlash from it for United.

I am not sure what the policy is for any other states but here in
Illinois if you want a state issued ID with a picture of you dressed
enfemme all you have to do is go to the Secretary of States office and
get one (I think the cost is $12). It will have your male name and info
of course (unless you have transitioned and have the necessary paperwork
from your therapist and court name change doculentation) but it will
have a picture of you dressed that you can show. I know of several
girls who have done just that to not have any trouble if they are
stopped by the police while dressed.

Allison

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This posting is from: Ginger
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I know the Roxy who was apparently one of the victims. I will ask her
about it and report back.

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This posting is from: Wendy
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Re Hunters... no one has ever carded me... I just don't care for the
place...

Wendy

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This posting is from: Francine
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Going back last fall I emailed Hunters using the email address on there
web site. I sked if T Girls are welcome and if there Sunday T-Girl
party still was in process.

The reply I got was that the party was discontinued several years ago.
It was discontionued because we started having issues with prostitutes
in the area and did not want problems with the local athorities.

Most of the TG gals that came in to club were prostitutes and the few
that were not did not mingle with public. Therefore we had discontinued
all out T-Girl suport event. T-Girls are however welcome at the club
the same as anyone else provided they are not prostitutes.

I did go there the following Friday night ariving around 11:00PM. There
were some sisters I saw outside but when I finaly got into the club I
did not see another sister inside. Even though I well over 30 years old
obviously they did card me. They also closely instpected my Drivers
liscens and discussed it with someone before letting me in. Note it was
not an Illl liscense since I'm not an Illl resident.

I had been to Hunter numerious times before but there were always many
sisters inside when I was there and only once before did they even card
me like this.

Fran

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This posting is from: debbie hunter
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I have been going to Hideway for 7-9 years. I do go there 1-3 times
amonth, mostly on weeknights. I have always felt comphy there and have
made many friends in the time i have been going there.

I used to be a Hunters regular but over the last few years i have been
going there less often ever since this on/off acceptance of us started,
prefering the friendly atmosphere at Hideway, Rumor's, InExcile, Krave,
and john L's, and Velvet Rope.

Though i have never been turned away at Hunters or had a rough time, I
do not overly like to continue to patronize a place that is so iffy to
us. I do know they have had there problems with some girls, but I feel
always trying to conduct myself in a lady like manor, and being very
generous (tips, pizza buying, snack buying), that I really wouldn't
deserve to be turned away, and I don't intend on letting them do that to
me even once.

I first heard about the new hunters policy from a friend in California
who got it from a t group out there. So as stated, word is traveling
fast.

Just my thoughts on the subject. And if anyone wants to stop by any of
the above mentioned places when i am out, i can always use the company

Debbie H

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This posting is from: voguedoll
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Hunters needs to told by all of the tg community that it is not
acceptable to discriminate against us. Do not just let them do this to
us. Let your voice be heard!


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This posting is from: Lyseth
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OK,

Fact: Hunters is a business that serves alcohol, and therefore, is
licensed.

Fact: Such businesses are required to "card" customers.

Fact: Only legitimate, official ID's are acceptable proof of
identity/age.

Fact: If a police officer enters the establishment, and asks any one
person for their ID, and that person does not have a valid ID, the
business will lose its license to serve alcohol. (Bible thumping
prohibitionists still have excessive control over the nature of the laws
of our land).

Apparent fact: Hunters seems to have selected our community for the ID
checks, and will not accept an ID that does not have a picture of us "as
we appear at the door". On the other hand, "we" are about the only ones
who often appear as a different person than our ID picture shows.

Is Hunters "discriminating"? A case could be made for that, but it would
be a weak one, but it certainly feels like discrimination. They are
basically just within Illinois State law.......they're not fools.

My closing remarks on this? It really is advisable to have a valid
official ID that has "your" picture on it. Not just for access to a bar,
but in case of any situation where you might have to verify who you are.

Lyseth

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This posting is from: annie
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>Fact: Such businesses are required to "card" customers.

Is this really a fact? In Illinois is there a legal requirement
that each and every person buying alcohol is actually carded,
or is some discretion allowed?

Reason I'm asking is that I am very seldom carded in Illinois.
No, I could not pass for under 21 if my life depended on it!
Most bartenders and doorkeepers recognize that there is no
way I am under age and very seldom card me.

I don't think I was carded once at the last Pinkfest, which
included buying alcohol at Chicago Chop House, Redhead, Gino's,
Winberies, Velvet Rope, and other places. I don't recall of
any Pinkfesters being carded at all, anywhere, last year.

I do know that some places do "Card Hard", but it appears to
me that most in Illinois do not.

>Apparent fact: Hunters seems to have selected our community for the ID
>checks, and will not accept an ID that does not have a picture of us "as
>we appear at the door". On the other hand, "we" are about the only ones
>who often appear as a different person than our ID picture shows.

The TSA has stated that if the photo on the card is a recognizable
likeness of the individual, then that individual is ok (pending
other criteria, of course) to board a commercial flight. I would
think that standards set by the Illinois powers that be would be
along these same lines.

>Is Hunters "discriminating"? A case could be made for that, but it would
>be a weak one, but it certainly feels like discrimination. They are
>basically just within Illinois State law.......they're not fools.

One item that still seems to be unanswered is "Does Hunters want
our business?" Are they really trying to cover their @$$ or would
they rather that TGs go elsewhere?

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This posting is from: voguedoll
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I have gone to hunters with my girlfriend who was wearing a wig and
looked nothing like her I'd. Hunters has picked our community to
discriminate. It's not rightz.


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This posting is from: Laura Wright
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Is it also a "fact" that only transwomen engage in prostitution at
Hunters?

Has Hunters taken any action whatsoever against the johns or non-trans
male prostitutes who post to meet up on Craig's list? Or has there
never been a case of non-trans prostitution in the history of Hunters?

Is the business now gauranteeing that no act of prostitution will ever
be connected to Hunters now that all transpeople, guilty or innocent,
are excluded?

Stories like this reinforce negative stereotypes in the public that
connect transpeople to crime. Transwomen are linked to prostitution, but
gay men are not... It hurts a lot of transpeople who have never even
heard of Hunters.

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