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Official hotel comments
Airfare - Heads up
Tripshark
Mailbag
Mailbag
Kids, air rides, making contact, etc
Air tours
Hiding nails
Ideas for DLV
Registration
Latest schedule (updated)
Latest headcount
Activity and event suggestions
Web Sites (updated)
Administrivia
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Only 107 days left, gang!
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Official hotel comments:

>My vote is for the Sahara, Stayed there march 2000 with the pink kitties
>group. Staff was wonderful. Casino was wonderful. 40 people in our
>group, not even the slightest hint ofv a problem.

... and ...

>Either Sahara or Imperial Palacs is OK with me. Stayed at both.

... and ...

>I suggest Imperial Palace. Cheap, friendly staff, great rooms,
>great view of the Strip. Never been to Sahara.

... and ...

>We're pretty much planning on being at DLV this year, and also planning
>on staying at the Sahara again as it was a very pleasant experience for
>us.

... and ...

>I'm going to be at the Imperial Palace. Great location. Food stinks but
>who cares!
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Airfare - Heads up:

The $99 each way special from Southwest Airlines, as well as similar
specials from many of the other major carriers will expire this Tuesday,
Jan 16.

The TA's who work in the same building I do expect this to be the LAST
bottom-dollar air fare deal between now and May.
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Tripshark:

Mark from Tripshark (Las Vegas information site, see URL below) wrote in to
say thanks for driving traffic to his site thru the link on our page. Yes,
he's aware of who we are and what we are.

His site is an excellent collection of Las Vegas news and information. It's
quite a bit different from the other LV info sites, in that it gives a
fresh view to things. It doesn't simply repeat what's in _Whats_On_ as
several sites do. The URL is:

http://www.tripshark.com/

Mark is now on our list for informational purposes. Mark, if you have
anything of interest to our people, please feel free to chime in.
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Mailbag:

>I saw your add on the internet for a getaway weeked in Las Vegas. I am a
>crossdresser who lives in Las vegas and have never been out in public. I
>would like more information on your getaway weekend,

Ok, we'll get you on the DLV mailing list, which will give you all the
information of the upcoming affair.

>I would also like
>to know if you think I could feel confortable and fit in at the weekend
>getaway

We've had a number of people who have never been out before, including
some from the LV area. Almost all those who have never been out before
report a highly positive experience.

You will be among those who have been in the same position you are now,
and can offer you suggestions and support. Since you're local to Las
Vegas, and a number of the others will be too, you can meet your local
sisters who you can continue to see throughout the year.

If you're a bit nervous going out in girlmode, it's perfectly ok to
attend some or all our functions in either mode. If this is easier on
you, you might consider something like doing the pre-DLV gathering in
boymode, and then if you're comfortable, coming the next evening in
girlmode. That would give you the opportunity to get to know some of
the others and hear some first-hand recounting of their coming-out.

It's whatever you're comfortable with.
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Mailbag:

>Hope to do a few more of the DLV events this time around... We got
>serously 'touristy' last year and had a ball!

Good to have you with us again. :)

Well, if you look on the schedule, we do have a few things that might
qualify as "touristy" such as the Dam Tour and the Rhyolite trip.

>I've passed the DLV information along to a T* listserv that I maintain
>here in the Portland area, so maybe a couple more of us Oregon/SW
>Washington girls will participate.

Thanks. The more exposure the better.

>Thanks, have fun and stay pretty !

{blush} :)
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Kids, air rides, making contact, etc:

>{kids in Las Vegas}
> I agree. We were recently asked to leave the Silverton because the
>kids were not moving fast enough through the casino area. In fact, they
>were waiting for me to get out of the bathroom, and were standing with
>their father, but that wasn't good enough. We've already agreed that
>our kids won't be coming with us for DLV.

>> >You might want to see if anyone is interested in air tours of the area.
>> >I can take small groups of 2-3 people, and the only cost would be the
>> >fuel, which is about $20 an hour and can be split between the
>> >passengers.
>>
>> Ok, what time(s) on the schedule would work for you? I'm sure there
>> will be people who would like to do this.

> Just about any time should be OK. The plane will be on the ramp at
>NLV airport as long as I'm in town, and can take off and return at any
>time. Uhh...officially speaking, mornings might be best so that I can
>fly sober. Once I've had a few beers, I tend to want to put on an
>airshow. :)

Looking at the schedule, it looks like either Thursday or Friday morning
would work for that.

>> I think this all depends on what time the featured show of the evening
>> is. Actually, last year, I was kinda hoping more people would not change
>> and go to RHPS as they were dressed for the show. That kind of dress
>> *would* be appropriate for RHPS.

> Not necessarily. Remember the night that I tore half the skirt out
>of my lovely black gown reaching to pass a balloon around and ended up
>having to go to Keys in that condition? Not that anyone was paying any
>attention by then. Durable clothing is really best for RHPS.

>> >To recap a little history: The cheerleaders thing (like the wedding
[snip]
>> >schedule was too similar year after year, with too many bars and too
>> >much drinking, so we opened up the floor to ask for new suggestions.

>Well, just to put my two cents' worth in, I enjoyed the bars and too
>much drinking.

>> >My largest concern is I don't know of anyone who has been to DLV, and
>> >being split between hotels etc. I wonder about "finding" each other.

>It was easy for me my first time. I checked into the hotel, called
>Annie on the cell phone, and she came and picked me up for a few drinks.
>Then we picked up some people at the airport and went to Goodtimes and
>I was introduced to a lot of new people, although, for some reason, I
>favored Annie the most. I think it was the way she could slam down
>shots of Galiano, one after the other, ...

Yeah right, and I'm actually copying this to the list ... {blush}
Hey, maybe this is a good way to find out if anybody is still reading
this far into the mailing. :)

>>{websites}
>> Any others? If so, send them in (just hit REPLY).

> Very early in construction, but it does have a picture of me, at
>least. Denise_B's web page is being built at www.geocities.com/admaero

Geocities?

GEOCITIES!!!!????? Sheesh! :)

Eeeeewwwww, 144 to the max!

Like Geocities is sooooo totally school's out, ya know!

Seriously, the corrected URL appears below.
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Air tours:

Gina writes:

>I'll also be bringing my airplane so if anybody wants a sightseeing tour
>of Hoover Dam or whatever, I'm really hard to talk into going flying.

Wow! More pilots.

Please let us know what time(s) will be good for this. Thanks.
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Hiding nails:

>Since the Dam tour is in the afternoon of the Folies Night, and
>typically the Dam Tour is male mode, what is the suggested method of
>disguising fingernails and nail polish? I was hoping to get long nails
>and not take them off until Monday.

Well, uh .... Hmmmm .... I dunno ...

I would say if you don't have bright polish, very few are gonna notice,
and most of those who do won't care. For our tour, our group will be
together and everybody with the group will be aware of who we are.

Before I started playing guitar again one of my cow-orkers (who knows)
used to give me a mild amount of kidding for having nails slightly
longer than is the custom, but most didn't notice or if they did they
didn't say anything.

If you're really paranoid, I guess you could keep your hands in your
pockets. :)

Gloves? Bandages?
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Ideas for DLV:

>I have a idea for DLV ... {somewhat edited}

>The idea is having a tour of all t-friendly businesses in one or two
>afternoons, visiting them by car pool, rented by those who have cars, or
>by those who want to do this, and they can be grouped together to rent a
>car for a day. Those looking for items can then shop in these stores,
>the stores will benefit from those who do buy from them ...

Actually, we have something like this already on the schedule. On
Thursday afternoon and evening we have a group shopping tour planned. I
envision we'll hit the various specialty stores of interest before
dinner, then eat, then go to someplace like Belz or Boulevard Mall after
dinner. Then we'll finish the evening off at Keys, a piano lounge on
Sahara.

We will have at least one van, and several others have volunteered to
drive as well.

>Hopefully those who do go do buy things to give these stores some
>income. This includes all t-friendly businesses, and all types of
>thrift stores in the Las Vegas area.

Two comments here. First of all, just about any business in Las Vegas is
t-friendly. Why? Our $$$ is just as green as anybody else's. They (the
shop owners, the salespeople) want you to find something you like, so
you will spend $$$, and they want you to be satisfied so you will return
and spend more $$$ and send your friends. Yes, by the nature of who we
are, some of the shops will be of more interest, and we'll concentrate
on those Thursday afternoon.

On thrift shops, we've discussed touring the thrift shops before and
there was not that much interest. In fact, in 1999, one couple wanted to
visit one shop (the Attic, the one that appeared in the American Express
commercials) but not to shop, to pose on the checkerboard sidewalk
outside the place. :)

See the url: http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/dlv99/attic/

>Another related idea is a bit more complicated. It uses those in the
>'Big Sister' group, where they become coaches and help those who
>need/want help in developing the en-femme image on this type of tour,
>help in shopping for anything they need (even buying for those who are
>too shy), and help in how to use them, etc.

>Then there can be some sort of afternoon/evening practice sessions, that
>can be done in a hotel room or at a set location (as in a bigger rented
>room). This gives a 'pratical', 'every-day' type practice sessions type
>experience, taught by those who are more experienced....sorta the wise
>teaching the newbies on what works and what doesn't in every-day life
>scenarios. It can be a place where if the person WANTS advice or
>critique or help AND IS OPEN TO it, then they should attend.

Something like this can happen iff there is a demand and somebody takes
the initiative to make it happen. For this year, evenings are solid, but
there are a number of first/second track afternoon slots still wide
open.

>It should NOT be a place to make fun of or knock someone down type
>activity...which unfortunately is a possiblity. This can become a
>confidence builder in developing 'passing' techniques for those are shy
>or not confident in themselves, which may result in some feeling
>confident enough to step out and go somewhere in enfemme to a t-friendly
>location during DLV.

Most everybody at DLV will be caring and supportive. We simply do not
attract the types who build themselves up by putting others down. All
the criticism I've heard has been intended to be constructive.

>This 'practice' location can also become a 'costume party' as someone
>suggested, and can be also attended by those more experienced who may
>what to 'dress up' in an enclosed secure environment, for fun, and in
>the company of those who will enjoy it, and to give others ideas for
>themselves. Food can also be delivered, catered, or someone sent out to
>buy....as in a pizza or wine and cheese or pupus(hors-de-ourves)(sp?) -
>- type thingee...paid for by those attending the event. I would worry
>about the size and 'rowdy-ness' of the group.

For DLV 2001 as a major event, it looks like all the evenings are booked
so far, and something like this would certainly be an evening affair.

Something like this will also take quite a bit of planning and
coordination. Let's put this one on the plate as a discussion item for
possibilities for DLV 2002.

>The coaching part can be started before DLV, as in matching the people.
>They can then communicate on their own via snail mail, email, voice
>mail, phone. So that by the time DLV arrives, a working friendship has
>already begun.

>For me, I will always be open to coaching, finding new fashions or
>accessories that look good on me, or what fantasy I can see (or never
>see) myself in, or finding items that I would be fearful of buying.
>This may also be going into areas of what some organizations like triess
>already does.

>If so, then just let this idea go... I don't want to repeat anything
>that is already being done. I have no organization that I know in my
>area so I am a bit un-educated about it.

>So .... any thoughts, comments?
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Registration:

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be sent to you.
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Latest schedule (updated):

Wednesday: 5:00pm Dinner Milano's
May 2 7:30pm Pre-DLV get-together LV Lounge

Thursday: Morn
May 3 Aft
3:00pm Shopping, dinner, more shopping
After Keys

Friday: Morn
May 4 1:00pm Matinee movie
5:00pm Din-din Sahara Buffet
7:30pm Welcome Goodtimes
11:00pm Dance Night Gipsy, et. al.
2 AM Late Night Gambling Location TBA

Saturday: 12:00 Shopping and Hopping Start at Paris
May 5 Eve Kenny Kerr Show {new venue}
Midnite RHPS Paradise 6
After Barhopping

Sunday: Aft Dam tour
May 6 Eve 10 PM Folies Bergere Tropicana
After Limo Tour of Strip

Monday: Morn
May 7 Aft Side trip - Rhyolite
Eve Bibi get-together LV Lounge
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Latest headcount:

Sun Jan 14 01:04:49 CST 2001
Ppant signup: 32
SO signup: 7
Total signup: 39
Weighted signup: 27.37
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Activity and event suggestions:

(Those not already on schedule.)

Please feel free to suggest others, and to suggest times and specifics for
any of these, either on the main DLV list or the DLVORG list.

In no particular order, what has been suggested.

* Official group photo(s)
* Golf (Michelle's personal fave :)
* Mary Kay open house
* Sight Seeing
* Liberace Museum
* Strat tower
* Comedy club
* pedicures
* massages
* dancing
* costume parties
* live music
* gaming supply stores
* Star Trek ride at the Hilton.
* neon sign junkyard.
* Mock wedding
* Makeovers
* Grand Canyon
* SO get-together
* "straight" dance club
* Symphony concert
* Rock concert
* Group breakfast
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Web Sites (updated):

DLV main page http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/

Michelle Jenkins http://www.idis.com/mpj
Tina http://home.att.net/~tinatawdre/
annie http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/
Julie http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Park/9289/
Rickie's Place http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/rick121
Margeth http://www.geekbabe.com/margeth/
Melissa's Magic Realm http://www.geocities.com/melissa_t17
The Cactus Rose Club http://www.geocities.com/crc_az
Debbie Sage http://intermind.net/~sage/
Vicki's Little Page http://hometown.aol.com/vickits44/myhomepage/index.html
Mindy http://www.fortunecity.com/village/freedom/785/
Bea http://BeatrizZ.tripod.com/
Lorraine http://members.tgforum.com/lorraineadams
Julie Anne http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Chelsea/8576/
Dorothy http://dorothy_d.homestead.com/home.html
Denise (Densie) http://www.geekbabe.com/admaero/

Any others? If so, send them in (just hit REPLY).
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