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Final mailing
Mistaken identity
To absent friends
More absent feedback
More feedback
More comments
Another gathering in LV
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Final mailing:

Unless anything profound comes in, this will be the final mailing to the
DLV 2002 general mailing list. This list will remain archived at:

http://www.geekbabe/com/annie/dlv02arc/

Any additional comments and feedback will be posted in the June/July or
subseqent monthly summaries.

Preliminary planning has begun toward DLV 2003. We plan to announce the
tentative dates around the first of August.

Again, thanks to everybody who did their part to make DLV 2002 the
outstanding event it was. Good show, gang! :)

Oh, and don't forget about Pinkfest in October:

http://www.pinkmyst.com/pinkfest/
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Mistaken identity:

Jamie writes:

>Hi, can you please post this:

Yes, of course. :)

>Hi, this is Jamie, and I've been getting a LOT of mail for someone
>else, a Jamie Fay.

>I'm Jamie, not Jamie Fay, I was the one who only came Saturday and
>Sunday and I wore the green tea-length outfit. I think the name is
>confuzing me for someone else. I'm listed as Jamie on the mail list,
>so I think this is where everyone is confused.

>And while I'm writing, I would like to say THANKS many times over for a
>fantastic time. My only regret is that I didn't come in earlier, I'll
>be there FIRST THING next year. I met a lot of REALLY SUPER new
>friends, and I'll remember that weekend for a lifetime. You guys did a
>SUPER job organizing this thing!

You're very welcome, Jamie. We'll get this posted this weekend. Glad you
could make it for the time you did, and that you had a good time.
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To absent friends:

>I attended DLV in 2001, but was unable to attend this year due to a
>scheduling conflict. (My industry's largest trade show of the year took
>place that weekend in Manhattan, and there was absolutely no way I
>could get out of attending.)

>Anyway, I've been reading all the exchanges and it sounds like everyone
>had a wonderful time.

Yes, we did, it turned out very well and as you know the feedback showed
everybody had a very good time.

>My two cents on some of the issues:

>Adding a slightly more upscale hotel is ok with me. I stayed at the IP
>last year and found it a bit run-down (although I did love how
>centrally located it was.)

We will most likely be suggesting at least one upscale hotel for our
people who want something more elegant, yes. This has been suggested
several times.

>I always favor the option of having a group go to "straight" dance
>clubs rather than having everything at the gay bars. Last year I went
>out to Studio 54, House of Blues, Club Rio and the Voodoo Lounge
>dressed with no problems. I always enjoy interacting with the general
>public. Vegas security is so alert that if anyone tried to start
>anything, it would be quashed very quickly anyway.

We won't have everything in any one place, that's for sure. However,
we don't want to quit using the places our people keep telling us they
like, such as Goodtimes, Flex, Sasha's, etc., and yes, those are all
GLBT places.

We also want to explore new and different things, both alternative and
mainstream. RA has been suggested for an outing next year, and it will
most likely be on the schedule.

>I'd also propose that an option be made available for a group to go one
>night to see a headliner or floor show (e.g. Cirque De Soleil, Tom
>Jones, etc.).

We've had suggestions of an "artsy" show, and O (Cirque) was mentioned
along with Blue Man Group.

We do have tentative plans for Showgirls Of Magic for next year, but
there will most likely be at least one more show on the agenda.

>I also prefer a Sunday to Sunday DLV, since it just makes it a bit
>easier to schedule a continuous week off from work than to have to
>break it across two work weeks.

There have been a number of requests for a longer DLV.

For that to happen, one other thing must happen, and that is we must
have enough volunteers to plan and implement quality activities over
the entire period plus the extended period.

Even though some of our activities are trivial, meaning the only
planning is to say show up and do it, most of them do require some
effort to make happen. It's unfair to ask those people who have been
doing multiple things to do yet more. We need more people to stand up
and say "yes, I will commit to organizing one or more nontrivial
activities" in order for a longer DLV to happen.

>Anyway, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I won't have any work
>commitments next year and will be able to join you for DLV 2003, so
>please keep me on your e-mail list.

Yes, we will keep everybody on the list for next year. We will most
likely have the proposed dates for DLV ready for comments toward the end
of summer.
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More absent feedback:

>Some comments from Left Field here. As you know, I couldn't make
>Diva this year, but I've been following your tale, or tail as it
>may be. Sounds like another fantastic week. Some notes and some
>off the wall suggestions for you here.

>>+1. I would appreciate less noise level from music.

>If there's anything that can kill atmosphere, it is music that is
>just plain too loud! If it's in a place where people want to dance
>and NOT talk, that's fine, but if people want to talk and aren't
>dancing, it's rude of them to keep it loud.

>That one place you had last
>year was a good example. They started with the loud music, we asked
>them to turn it down, they didn't, we all left.

I'm assuming you mean the Las Vegas Lounge here. We didn't use them for
any of our gatherings this year because of many complaints, most of them
being, yes, music too loud to converse, and drink prices that escalated
when the dancers went on stage.

>>+Althoug I love Sahsa's and Milano's I would really have liked to spend
>>+more social time like we did Friday at Goodtimes. That was a good
>>+opportunity to slow down from the hectic pace and share meaningful
>>+conversation.

>I don't recognize these, but I'll assume from the context that they
>are dance clubs.

<LOL ... sorry> :) No, Milano's is that small Italian place we've eaten
at for years, and Sasha's is a rather new restaurant and night club.

>Casual conversation is the most favorite thing of
>mine to do at Diva. I would like to put in a second request for more
>social time, in places quite enough to talk and enjoy a drink.

We realize this. Personally, I think one of the most important
activities we have (even though it's not the highest on the excitement
scale) is what we now call the Annual Mixer, our Friday evening thing at
Goodtimes. From feedback, it appears others agree on this.

The message of more quality social time has been heard, loud and clear.

>>+Also, we found it difficult to mix in as
>>+newcomers as most people had their associations already formed.

>>In 6 years of DLV, this is the first time I have ever heard anything
>>like this. Almost universally reported is just the opposite, being
>>uneasy walking in, but being just one of the girls a few minutes
>>later.

>This disturbs me to hear. I can personally attest to being close to
>a basket case when I finally got the nerve to walk into Goodtimes
>way back in 1999. I was a total wreck. Within only a couple minutes
>I was so happy I could cry. This is the most friendly group I can
>ever rememeber. I can't beleive someone found it difficult to mix.

I believe this is a very rare exception to what is expected at DLV
and can be expected at DLV in the future. What you are reporting is
what has almost universally been reported since DLV began, and was
reported this year.

Several of us were astonished to hear this, and we've tried to review
what we could. Next year there will be extra attention paid to be sure
nobody is excluded. I admit we have a larger crowd, and it's impossible
to stop the conversation and introduce each newcomer as we did years
ago, but we will to our best to be sure everybody is included and
introduced around. DLV will not become impersonal as it grows!
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More feedback:

>I agree, as I am one of those that could make as I had to work. But it
>might help if next year those that sign up for the slumber or pool
>party type events donate 10-15 buck up front mailed to annie,

Uh, maybe mailed somewhere. :) I'm definitely not the Treasurer for
this group. :)

>then if
>not enough people donate to the cause the events can be cancelled
>before hand due lack of iinterest, or if not everyone does not show,
>then no one individual get hurt in the pocket or feelings.

Yes, you are correct, and this will probably be a requirement for any
similar activities in the future.

>As to the convention idea, dont think so. The only reason I started
>coming to DLV is because of its informal atmosphere. If those that want
>the convention scenario, should start it, set it up in conjuction with
>DLV, and have the DLV as the fun activity section of the traditional
>humdrum BS. I love DLV because its not the traditional run of the mill
>convention, its uniqueness makes it fun, and enjoyable nuf said.

Speaking very freely here, the convention idea was not a serious
proposal. I composed it as a response-in-advance to those who might be
pushing for a more formalized and structured DLV. Fortunately, this year
I've heard no such calls for more of a convention-like DLV.

If anything, less structure is desired, from looking at the feedback.

Bottom line, again, DLV The Vacation ain't goin' away, nor will it morph
into a convention. (OMDB!) As you say, the uniqueness makes it fun.
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More comments:

JoAnn Marie writes:

>Annie--As I read all of the comments..."you can please all of the
>people some of the time ...but not all of the people all of the time"
>We are fortunate to have this venue so diverse and accommodating.

Yes, and from the feedback, we did a very good job of pleasing most
of the people most of the time.

>We (the attendees) need to take responsibility for make the gathering a
>fun event...I believe that was achieved. Thanks for being open to the
>feedback and keeping up the superb efforts. A heart felt ...THANKS!!!

You are very welcome. Yes, everybody present added to the experience,
and such an event would not be possible without the attendance and
support of all the DLV'ers.
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Another gathering in LV:

Mindy writes:

>could you send the following out to the general mailing list for me..


>special not to diva mailing list.. this is the mailing i sent to TGE
>members.. there are 2 ways to join this list..

>1. e-mail mindy_cd@ineedhits-mail.com
>2. joing TGE (no charge) www.tg2tg.org

>hi girls..

>well this is the 1st mailing of the tge 2002 gather..

>i will be the local org person and you will be getting regular updates
>from me as time goes on..

>i am actually pretty good at this as i have been the local org person
>for 2 prior TGE events and also one of the local org people for 2 diva
>las vegas events..

>the dates for formal activities for TGE 2002 are Sept 6th 7th and 8th,
>friday sat and sunday.. if enough people wish to come early we can
>sechedule additional

>events the 3rd 4th and 5th. i wish we could schedule the 2nd but a
>holiday weekend in las vegas gets rather pricey..

>for those of you who have been to vegas for TGE in the past or any
>other T events i have some sad news.. one of the favorite places,
>"keys" is no longer..

>they changed over to a straight bar.. also another fav place "the las
>vegas lounge" has become more of a "t" dance bar (read that as
>stripper joint). there is some good news.. there is a new club in
>town called "sashas". it must be great as i am in a show there on sat
>nights and also work part time there as a drag waitress.

>some other changes in las vegas.. though the sahara is still t-friendly
>the clientel has become more of a problem due to the popularity of the
>nascar cafe theme.. we will be looking at some alternatives for hotels
>for this fall.

>i know that there are some standard activities we would all like such
>as a dance night, dinners, shows.. but i have also been involved in
>some rather unusual activites such as and english high tea, fem mode
>golf, and a fem swim party.. yes girls we can still swim in vegas in
>mid sept.. if you have any activities you would like to partake of
>please let me know and i will see if i can schedule it if there is
>enough interest..

>if you have not been to a prior TGE it is a social gather.. no hours
>spent in boring lectures and no fashion shows ect.. this is for fun
>and friends..

>i will also be sending this out to the gals from diva.. several are
>attendees of both anyway and hope to have a good turn out this year..
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