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Just as a possible idea. Most of us went to our proms in the wrong
gender. How about a fabulous prom night in the right gender?

Is this something anyone else may be interested in?

Nikki Shae

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>Just as a possible idea. Most of us went to our proms in
>the wrong gender. How about a fabulous prom night in the
>right gender?

This is something that is a recurring suggestion in feedback
and has been for many years.

The closest something like this ever came to happen was in
fact this year. There was a detailed proposal for more of a
generic formal affair, with some desire to eschew the term
"prom", on the table as what was intended to be our ending
max-attendance gathering.

It was voted down by ORG by a fairly significant margin.

Primary concern was the price point. $60+ "just to walk
through the door" was what I think killed it. Other stated
concerns were such things as a catered limited menu, the
perceived "convention-ness" of the proposed activity and
even the proposed venue.

If you're curious, the discussion is part of the ORG archives,
on line here:

http://www.geekbabe.com/annie/org10arc/

The prom/formal discussion starts in early November and the
vote was in January.

>Is this something anyone else may be interested in?

I know there's interest.

I remember that Ginger had some well thought ideas along
the line of getting a place like Goodtimes or Escape to
co-sponsor a Prom-theme evening.

I also heard individuals express disappointment that such
an affair did not come to fruition.

I would suggest that if you want to see something like this
happen, be sure you're on the ORG (volunteer) list and get
plans started early. Be sure it has a wide appeal and that
it can be reasonably-priced.

Don't be afraid to think out of the box. :)

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How about a Prom at Paris, in The Caberet. We might get them to rope off
the area we had. We could have a Prom Dinner in the Eifle Tower before.

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This posting is from: Nikki Shae
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Paris would be great.

I do remember the discusion about the ending formal dinner. I really
didn't give it much thought at the time as I'm really not the formal
type of girl.

We have had a couple of "prom nites" here where I live but I wasn't able
to attend. Those events were very well attended from what I heard.

I always thought it would be really kewl to go through that whole
process. From buying the prom dress to getting professional hair and
makeup done for prom pics. Then topping it all off with a limo ride to
prom. Maybe even be voted prom queen. That would be magical.

I hope it comes up for consideration again for next year.

Nikki Shae

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This posting is from: annie
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>Paris would be great.

I do admit this is a good example of out of the box thinking!

I assume the OP was referring to Le Cabaret Lounge, where we
had the dance sessions on Thursday and Friday. I'm sure we
could use this (non-exclusively, of course) with very little
formality.

Of course there's the usual issues with having a larger
group of our people, most of whom would be dressed to the
nines, very visible in mainstream public.

>I do remember the discusion about the ending formal dinner.
>I really didn't give it much thought at the time as I'm
>really not the formal type of girl.

IMAO "prom" and "formal" are very close to being synonyms.

When you're a senior in HS, it's the "Senior Prom", and
next year when you're a freshman in college, it's the
"Spring Formal", the only major difference is that booze
is officially allowed. :) :) :) :)

As the discussion went on last winter, the term "prom" kind
of fell out of favor for various reasons, and the term
"formal" replaced it.

>We have had a couple of "prom nites" here where I live but
>I wasn't able to attend. Those events were very well attended
>from what I heard.

In Omaha we have both the Pride Prom and the Groundhog Prom,
and both get good TG participation. The Groundhog Prom is
really more of an ultimate costume party than it is a "prom"
per se.

>I always thought it would be really kewl to go through
>that whole process. From buying the prom dress to getting
>professional hair and makeup done for prom pics.

This is along the line of what appears to be the intent
of most of the various suggestions which have come in over
the years, such as this one from the 2009 survey:

+A Prom, for those of us to relive, where we had to once
+wear a suit or tux, let's now dress the way we really
+wanted to back then.

Of course the expense of a new dress, makeover, etc., is
not something everybody would look forward to. However, I
do believe that most M-F TGs do have at least one formal
outfit which would be more than appropriate.

>Maybe even be voted prom queen.

Here's where I have mixed feelings. I don't like to see
someone be designated as more worthy of attention or
recognition on some arbitrary criteria. IMAO, there is
too much of this in the TG community already! I've pushed
back a few times on such things as a "Ms DLV Pageant" for
just this reason.

If the organizers of a "DLV Prom" want to do this, I will
not try to fight it, but I don't think it's particularly
a good idea.

>I hope it comes up for consideration again for next year.

One way you can be absolutely certain it comes up for
consideration next year is to volunteer to coordiate it.
I'm dead serious here. Just say you're willing to "adopt"
it and work with the ORG group on logistics and schedule
items and such.

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This posting is from: Kate Smith
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I hate this idea.

You asked for feedback Nikki and this is it. I dislike show boaters of
any description Male or female, they are royal pain in the arse! and
this is agood way to bring them out of the woodwork so to speak. it is
also a good way of driving DLV in a convention direction which we have
all tried desperately to avoid.

I know that your intentions are good but this idea stinks, Think of
those who thought they might be attractive and find they didn't even
place in the voting. A downre to say the least. ( I am not referring to
myself here I am way too old to be even considered) but feelings are
the things we try to protect at DLV. I hope I speak for the majority
here?

Try a convention Nikki it will likely work there.

Katie.

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This posting is from: Nikki Shae
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Annie I do have to agree with you on an arbitrary vote for prom queen.

That said, you can't have a prom without crowning a queen :) One thing
we could do is put everyones name that is interested into a lottery
drawing of sorts. Whoever gets their name pulled would get her crown.

Of course then we would need a king.

I would love to volunteer for this. I have already submitted myself to
volunteer for next year anyway. I would love to hear more thoughts on
this.

NikkiShae

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>I would love to volunteer for this. I have already submitted
>myself to volunteer for next year anyway.

Thanks. :)

Be sure to bring this up when the new ORG group (will convene
around July 1) starts to discuss next year's activities. Think
of the scope and scale of what you have in mind for such an
activity.

>I would love to hear more thoughts on this.

I'll give you a few things to consider, all very general
in nature. :)

First of all, continue to think outside of the box. Don't
feel constrained by what we've done in the past at DLV and
particularly by what's done at other TG events.

I think it's very important to take into consideration the
behavior patterns, the attendance patterns, the spending
patterns, and yes, even the complaining patterns of the DLV
attendees when planning your activity. I think this is much
of why the plans for the Formal fell through this year.

In contrast to the attendance patterns at other TG events,
DLV attendees have options, and will exercise them. If
your activity does not appeal to them, they will not
attend, period. DLVers are also less willing to put up
with mediocre food than are attendees of other events!
Good example, we had a few who attended the Happy Hour
but not the Sunday buffet at the Flamingo, citing that
they heard "the food sucks" and the like. They went
elsewhere to eat. Why? Because they can! :)

Other TG events have somewhat captive audiences. We do
not!

Likewise, our people tend to be more frugal. They love
having options within options and do not like one-size-
fits-all solutions and one-price-fits-all pricing. For
example, if you want to do your Prom or Formal as a
dinner-dance, "unbundle" the dinner portion. You will
get a better turnout for both the dinner and dance
segments if you do this! That's the way our crowd
tends to behave.

Lastly, don't feel discouraged if somebody poo-poos your
ideas. Remind them that they have other options and that
you are not forcing them to attend. If they don't like
what you plan, they are free to plan something else.

Hope this encourages you. :)

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Hi Katie I'm sorry u feel so strongly against this. I don't by any means
wish to make this a popularity or beauty contest. I did mention to Annie
that I would prefer to do it as an open drawing that anyone could enter.
We could have other prizes donated for multiple drawings. The "prom
queen" would be the grand prize with crown and special gift pack. It's a
rough idea.

The Paris was suggested so I'm assuming this would be going on along
side the mainstream public if it worked out to happen there. I missed
both late night gatherings at the Paris so I don't know first hand how
things went.

If this does happen I do hope you change your mind. :)

Nikki Shae

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Thank you Annie for all the great advise. :)

Nikki Shae

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