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Notes on this mailing
Missing photograph
Photo paranoia
Dining rendezvous alternative
Food feedback
More feedback
People comments
Remembering DLV
Vetoing photographs
Administrivia
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Notes on this mailing:

Anybody missing? As the peak of the feedback begins to decline, I want
to be sure that everybody who sent in feedback to this list has either
received an appropriate response or has seen the items show up on the
list.

If there's anything that anybody sent in, which did not appear on this
list and/or did not get a response, please remind me. Resend if
possible, or remind me of the approximate date and what was sent, and
please accept my apology.

We'll keep the feedback line open for another week or so. Please give
us your thoughts, feelings, and comments, both positive and negative.

Thanks again to everybody who has sent in photos of DLV. As you can see,
we're gonna have quite an impressive collection this year. Many more
have been added over the past few days. They have now been rearranged,
so do take another look if you haven't seen them in the past few days.

We now have our call for veto of any of the photos. Notes are below.
Speaking of which, an excellent point has been raised about your
probability of being recognized from your photo on the DLV pages.
Hopefully that will put some of you more at ease about it. Please
read the discussion below.

More e-mail addresses have come in for our e-mail directory. We will
be sending an updated list out this coming week. If you're not already
in this and want to be included, please send in a note that says you
want to be included.
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Missing photograph:

There is one photograph I would *LOVE* to have for one particular page.
I saw it on somebody's digital camera, but with the hectic pace of DLV
I've forgotten whose it was, and it has not been sent in.

It involves one of the DLV girls, a waiter, and a dollar bill. I'm
sure it will be obvious which one it is. Anyway, I would appreciate
a copy of it. TIA. :)
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Photo paranoia:

>Say, Annie, help me out here. I've been thinking. You know, people are
>so afraid they're going to be recognized on the Internet, and I can't
>believe there's that much traffic. I would think that someone has a
>bigger risk of getting recognized just by going to some of the Diva
>things that are in public. Your the math geek, not me, is there any
>way to do a scientific proof that t-girls run a bigger risk of being
>recognized by being out in public than on the Internet? This would
>be most helpful, I feel, in calming some nerves. Thank you.

Hmmmm .... Interesting concept here. A formal proof would be very
difficult, but you have an excellent point. I think we can easily get
enough numbers to intuitively support or refute your proposition here.

Let's assume the main DLV page gets about 300 hits per day, which is
about typical. Let's also assume 10% of those viewers will view the site
in depth, meaning wander in to the previous years pages. Of those, only
a few users will view more than a few of the hundreds upon hundreds of
photos.

I know that the individual pictures in the previous pages get 1-2 hits
at most per day, many of them get zero. That's maybe 1-3 people per day
who view the site enough to be able to recognize somebody from one of
the photos on the site.

That makes it a max of about 1000 exposures per year that each person
might get from having his/her recognizable liknesses on the DLV web
pages.

Estimating real-life exposures might be a bit more difficult. However, I
think it's safe to say that walking thru the Sahara casino, eating at
the buffet, and walking back will easily expose yourself to 1000 people,
which is about the same as a year's worth of web exposure.

A couple hours at Belz Mall would easily result in a couple thousand
exposures.

Walking thru a casino to Kenny Kerr or Folies, doing the show, walking
out, again, probably around 1000 exposures.

All kinds of other variables. For example, most people who hit the DLV
page have some kind of connection to the GLBT community, and those who
live and vacation in Las Vegas are from the general population of the
USA and the world.

I don't think we're to Q.E.D. just yet <vbfg> but I think your point
stands quite well. It sure seems to me there are many more potentially
recognizable exposures in real life at DLV than after DLV on the web.

Comments, ladies (gentlemen)?
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Dining rendezvous alternative:

>Although I have not attended the DLV convention, I enjoy reading the
>wrapup reports and look forward to bein part of the group next year.

>I have read your comments column with a keen sense of anticipation at
>bein able to attend such a sociable gathering of ladies who will accept
>me for who I am. I am very new at this, but I think The Reserve would be
>a good semi upscale location for an evening get together/supper
>rendezvous.

>The staff appear to be of the older variety and may be more accepting
>of our group, The parking lots are well lit and the buffet or the
>restaurant below are excellent.

Actually, I like the Reserve, but its fate is kinda unknown as of this
time since it was recently sold to {mumble}, and it's unclear whether
they will carry over its current theme or make all kinds of changes.

I agree the buffet is good, even though the line can be very long and
slow for an off-Strip property.

>The fact that it is away from the strip might encourage new and
>aprehensive girls like myself to venture out for their first trip to the
>world of "enfemme" I welcome your advice on this, Please ask the local
>girls for their opinions also.

We'll have to wait on this one, as I said there may be changes. I've been
there and like it, but consensus is that places in the two main tourist
areas (Strip and Downtown) will be more t-friendly than the "locals"
places. Being away from the Strip could be good or bad. It's actually
one exit in from Margeth's 7-11.

Comments?
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Food feedback:

>For what it's worth, I absolutely loved both Miloni's and Sahara
>buffet. This was my first two meals out in public en femme. I was
>real nervous at first at Miloni's just walking in, but you all
>greated me and it all worked out well. I also ate at Key's one
>night. Good hamburger, but not fancy.

IMAO, Milano's is one of the best kept secrets in Las Vegas. It's
very good and very reasonable. I know we had a number of people
(myself included) go back there at times.

Keys food has always been good, and it seems like it stabilized a
bit this year. I know they've had different people running the
kitchen over the years, some very good and some so-so. Glad to
hear you liked it.

>Now at Sahara I was ok at first but I got nervous as more people
>got there, but again, it worked out fine. I was just a little bit
>afraid when I had to go up each time and get something.

You will find (as I'm sure you already did) that these uneasy feelings
go away very quickly as you become accustomed to being in public. I
know I'm repeating myself, but this is universally reported.

>There's
>another place you might consider for the Diva group, my wife and
>brother ate there last year, but I forget the name. It's an Italian
>place right behind Flamingo Hilton and a real easy walk from the
>Imperial Palace. Good food and service, very funny waiter.

I think you're thinking of Battista's, on Audrie St., right off
Flamingo. I haven't been there for several years, but I thought it was
good. It's been there forever, and it seems people either love it or
hate it. I admit the decor is (was) a bit tacky, but it kinda reminded
me of some equally tacky places here in Omaha, which do have very good
food. We can put this on the consideration list for next year.
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More feedback:

>Here's my late $.02 about Diva.

>Most liked: Time warp at Keys, Buffet dinner, Kenny Kerr Show, Rocky
>Horror, breakfast in the lounge, Hoover Dam.

>Least liked: "Exotic" dancers at Las Vegas Lounge, gambling.

>Didn't go shopping or any of the tours except Hoover.

>Let me take that back. Most liked: Just being myself for a while.

>Thanks and thanks again. I'll definitely be there next year.

... and you're very welcome again and again. :)
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People comments:

>Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not tryng to be hurtful
>or uncaring, just commenting on what I saw.

>The people at Diva were more of a mixed group than I've ever
>seen, either at the local Gay bars, SCC, T-Encounter, or even
>in the chat rooms. I'm real surprised everyone got along as
>well as they did.

>There were lots of Crossdressers, and I could tell some of them
>were new and uncomfortable, just by the way they sat and body
>languages.

>You also had a few Drag Queens, they really stood out.

>Then you had a few of the "pass at any cost" crowd, so into passing
>they tried to avoid the rest of us.

>Then you had some who were trying so hard to pass, but made it so
>obvious by doing so.

>But worse are those who don't make any attempt at all to pass.

>I didn't see any true TS's at all.

Uh, you probably didn't look very hard. :)

>Now, you had such a mix of these, add to this the mix of those who
>are very out in public, whethere they pass or not, and those who are
>perfectly passable who are scared to death of public.

>Just a few random notes from a casual observer.

Uh, I'm not sure how I should respond to this, if at all, but I almost
feel I'm expected to. :)

You are correct that we get people from all over the t* spectrum and
then some. They vary in experience level from those barely peeking out
of the closet to those who are transitioned, or in transition.

We also get people of every experience level, from those who are taking
their first public steps, to those who have been in public for years.

>And another thing I can't
>understand is this obsession with Gay Bars and Drag shows. You talk
>about getting out in public and then your hiding us away in the Gay
>bars.

We go to shows such as Kenny Kerr and to bars such as Goodtimes, Keys,
etc., because our people like them. When our people quit saying they
want to do these things, then I guess we'll quit going and doing.

You mentioned above that our crowd is a very mixed bag. Places such as
Goodtimes are "safe" enough for those just taking those first steps out,
and fun enough for those who are confident enough to go almost anywhere.

There is also a cultural significance to FI shows. Like it or not, it
is a part of the GLBT culture.

We do other things and go other places as well. We've gone to legacy Las
Vegas shows, eaten in very public establishments, gone shopping just
about everywhere, visited countless casinos, tourist attractions, etc.

If you'll look at the feedback, this year we had crowds go to some very
traditionally "straight" places, such as the gun show and some of the
wannabe-trendy dance clubs.

Keeping in mind that everything on the DLV schedule is voluntary and
optional, look at which activities had the highest turnouts. This year
those were Friday at Goodtimes and Saturday at Kenny Kerr.

>Besides, they don't really want us in the Gay Bars after
>all.

Oh, is that why they're always selling us drinks and always asking
us when we're coming back? :)
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Remembering DLV:

>Hi, I wanted to say a few things about my time with DLV.

>I was only able to attend the Thursday night fun at Keys. My weekend was
>full and one of the greatest I ever had. I wish I was able to do more
>things with the group, but my wife and I also had another group of
>people and events that weekend.

>I was very nervous going out Thursday night, I was staying at the
>Aladdin Hotel. I got pre dressed in my room, make up/and lingerie, and
>then dressed the rest of the way n my car. I walked into the Keys
>looking for the group. I was happy to find a friend and calm me down. I
>enjoyed the night out, and even doing the time-warp on stage!

>Friday night I went out dressed with my other group. I was wearing my
>bridal veil. It was a night to remember. Saturday night I was put
>through an old leather BDSM style pre lifetime collaring ceremony. I
>had to prove myself of being worthy to all the dominates in our group.
>That was the most powerful and emotional experience my life.

>My wife and I just renewed our wedding vows on the 19th and I was so
>happy walking down the isle in my wedding dress. Wow, another great
>weekend. I hope they just keep coming.

>Where are the pictures? I can't get them to come up.

http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/dlv2001/pictemp/

Had to be changed due to people linking to it and passing it on.

>Next year I will be going to much more of the events at DLV.

Keep in touch, looking forward to seeing you next year. :)
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Vetoing photographs:

Most of the photos which will be used on the DLV 2001 followup pages
are now on line.

For those of you who want to be excluded from the photos posted on the DLV
pages, here's what I'm asking you to do. I know this is a hoop to jump
thru, but this will assure everybody gets what they want.

Here's the procedure I would like everybody to use:

1. Look at the pics at the URL:

http://www.geekbabe.com/dlv/dlv2001/pictemp/

Please do not pass on this URL or link to it from a public page.

2. Look over the complete set of candidate photos. Make a note of those
which you do not wish to see posted on the web.

3. Send in a note listing the file names, and which person you are in
each, even if you think I will identify you by sight. An example might
be "page3/dlv029d.jpg I am the second person from the right. Please
do not use."
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Administrivia:

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Diva Las Vegas 2001
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